- Let's be outfront with this: Every craps bet except the free odds/lay odds has a house edge, and there's nothing most players can do to reverse the math. A small number of dice controllers may be able to decrease the frequency of 7s and increase the frequency of point numbers enough to change the odds of craps game in their favor.
- It loses if a 5, 6, 7, or 8 appears. The clueless player looks strictly at the quantity of winning numbers against the quantity of losing numbers. He thinks, 'There are seven numbers that win and only four numbers that lose, so I've got a pretty good chance of winning.'.
- The allure of the craps table has been the downfall of legendary gamblers from Nick 'The Greek' Dandalos to poker pro T.J. Cloutier, but you can be a winning craps player if you follow some very important rules, like learning the odds at craps. Learn craps rules and you'll be thankful.
You could expect on average 18.94 points made on a 6 or 8, 13.33 on a 5 or 9, and 8.33 on a 4 or 10. Are the craps probability numbers with the odds taken 100% reliable. Also is the gaming industry your full time profession, and do you visit Atlantic City often? Also, how do you simulate billions and billions of hands, spins, and rolls.
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After 3 visits, I started playing a bonus bet. How it worked is that you had to hit 6 numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10), then the point again. So, say the come-out roll was a 4 - to win, you'd have to hit the other numbers, then a 4 to win the top prize (1,000 to 1). You could hit the numbers in any order, but if you hit a number twice, or if you threw anything else (2, 3, 7, 11, 12) the bonus bet would be over. I decided to give it a shot, and about 30 minutes later I won $5,000 on a $5 bet.
My question is, what are the odds or chances of actually winning the bonus bet like that? Hitting all 6 required numbers within 6 rolls after the come-out. I imagine the chances of that happening are one in a few thousand, but I'm useless when it comes to anything beyond basic math.
So this is basically a firebet. Are you saying if the point is a 6 and there is a 3 then the bonus bet is over, even though it was not a seven out? If so then this has got to be the worst bet in the house.
Do you know the odds or chances to hit all 6? That's all I'm trying to figure out. I've already done well with it.
If the point is, say, 6, same thing applies? You must hit the other 5 numbers (4,5,8,9,10) first and then 6?
When is the bet placed? During the come out roll? Do you know what the bet was called?
To win the main prize, 1,000 to 1, yes, you'd hit the other 5 numbers then the point.
The bet is placed before the come-out roll. I can't remember the name of the bet - something like 'six-shooter bonus' or the like.
I'm still trying to figure out what the chances are of hitting those 5 numbers and the point again all in a row.
Administrator
Yes, it pays for hitting fewer numbers. 5 numbers would pay 150 to 1, even if the bet ended. 4 paid less, and 3 barely paid anything.
To win the main prize, 1,000 to 1, yes, you'd hit the other 5 numbers then the point.
The bet is placed before the come-out roll. I can't remember the name of the bet - something like 'six-shooter bonus' or the like.
I'm still trying to figure out what the chances are of hitting those 5 numbers and the point again all in a row.
Even if you dodge the 2-3-7-11-12 all those times, it seems more likely than not that the point would change in the course of throwing all those other numbers. You have to hit the current point after you've got all 6 numbers marked, then, no matter how many times it might have changed during the hand?
Nobody has answered your question because you did not give us a complete set of rules and it probably requires a lot of time commitment. People get paid for this stuff. With that said, I think that this would require a simulation or a lot of math by hand. There are a limited number of win scenarios (200 maybe?) with any other sequence of six rolls (after setting the point) losing. I mean, if I understand this correctly, you have to hit all 5 other 'numbers' then the point.. any other situation and the bet loses.
Hopefully someone gets interested in this. I'll keep thinking about it. This has got to be worse than the firebet, right?
Hi. Last month I went into a smaller casino and found their craps table was closed. They did, however, happen to have a large 'craps machine' that was basically 6 seats with screens for betting, and a large dome that contained 2 large dice that would roll when the platform they were on started vibrating.
This sounds like the interblock 'organic craps' I have seen and played a few times.There were 3 dice in the shaker I do remember.
so with 2 dice maybe it is another game totally..
2 dice slot is the shoot-to-win craps and that is all over Vegas but I have yet to see the side bet.
The bet is called Lucky Shooter (Great name for a XXX rated flick) from Interblock's site
This is what I found last year when it was warmer outside
'The Lucky Shooter is a side bet for Craps that will improve the Hold on the game.
The Side Bet can be made before each new 'Come Out' roll.
The object
of the Lucky Shooter Side Bet is to first establish a Point,
then roll the 5 other Box Numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 excluding the Initial Point) in any order
during the next 5 rolls,
and then roll the 'Initial Point' on the 6th roll.
Once one of the '5 other Box Numbers' is rolled it cannot be rolled again.
If a 7 or 11 is rolled on the Come Out Roll, the game ends and the bet remains working for the next Come Out roll.
If a 2, 3 or 12 is rolled on the Come Out Roll,
the game ends and the bet loses.
If a point is established on the Come Out Roll, the game ends when Any Number other than one of the remaining (not already rolled) '5 other Box Numbers' is rolled.
If all '5 other Box Numbers' are rolled, then the game ends after the 6th and final roll. The Player has a chance to win up to 1000 to 1.'
My question is, what are the odds or chances of actually winning the bonus bet like that?
Hitting all 6 required numbers within 6 rolls after the come-out.
for what I call the Lucky6
for some to see
I B in Palm Desert (just next to Palm Springs)
for the long weekend and I plan on visiting Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio (plug) as they told me they have the bet there.
Hope it is the 1000 for 1 as I have seen the 500 for 1 paytable too.
I B very lucky this year (so far so goooooooood)
What Are My Chances Of Winning At Craps
and I should hit that Lucky6 after dinner and dancing and B4 sex.sounds like you had fun getting lucky!
Sally
To win, you have to roll a point number, then the other five point numbers in any order, then the point number again.
There are 367 ways to roll 2 dice 7 times.
There are 720 winning sets of rolls; each of the 720 permutations of the six point numbers, with the first number repeated as the seventh. (For example, 4, 6, 10, 8, 9, 5, 4.)
Since each of the six point numbers appear in positions 1-6, there are 3 ways to roll the 4, 4 to roll the 5, 5 to roll the 6, 5 to roll the 8, 4 to roll the 9, and 3 to roll the 10.
If the first number is 4 or 10, there are 3 ways to roll the last number, so there are 3600 x 3 = 10,800 ways to roll it.
If the first number is 5 or 9, there are 4 ways to roll the last number, so there are 3600 x 4 = 14,400 ways to roll it.
If the first number is 6 or 8, there are 5 ways to roll the last number, so there are 3600 x 5 = 18,000 ways to roll it.
240 of the 720 permutations start with 4 or 10, 240 start with 5 or 9, and 240 start with 6 or 8.
The total = 240 x 10,800 + 240 x 14,400 + 240 x 18,000 = 10,368,000.
10,368,800 / 367 = 1 / 7558.272
Not sure how that compares to table craps and the fire bet, but I'll have to look into it and figure out what I wanna stick with in the future. It was nice being able to set my own bets without shouting, or having to second guess a new dealer's math, but if the side bet odds are better on the table, I might have to stick with that.
Let's face it, as much fun as it is going to the casino and playing craps, winning at the craps table is a heck of a lot more fun than losing.
To increase your chances of winning, and before you put your hard earned money down on the table, you should at least have a rudimentary knowledge of the odds, payouts and house edge for each of the bets on the table.
Theoretical probability of winning craps. Before we get into the details, let's get a couple of things out of the way first.
- The casino always wins in the long run.
- The casino's revenues are built on the statistical probabilities of the outcomes, payouts and house edge of each of the bets in the casino and at the craps tables over the long term. (24/7, 365 days a year).
- BUT… We're only at the casino and at the craps table for a short period of time. (a day, weekend, week, etc.). You're better positioned to take advantage of short term trends at the table and… sometimes you just get lucky! Advanced craps players can sometimes even flip some of the odds into their favor.
- The casino's advantage extends beyond the house edge.
- In addition to the house edge on each bet, the casino is banking on the fact that most players at the craps tables don't know how to play the game and don't know the smart vs. not so smart bets on the table.
- SO… By doing what you are doing right now, learning how to play the game well and understanding the probabilities and house edge for each of the bets on the table, you're effectively reducing the casino advantage over you. Aside from becoming an advanced player, this is your best bet for leaving the tables and the casino, a winner.
- While you're at the tables, you'd might as well have some fun.
- While most of my play is, and your play should be, centered around the smarter bets on the table, don't forget that you're there to have a good time. There is nothing wrong with throwing some dollars on the ‘not so smart' bets when you want to. I do it myself from time to time if the table is slow and I'm looking for a little more action or when I'm playing with house money. As long as you're making an informed decision… then go for it.
Now that we have that out of the way, let's get to work on getting you to be an informed gambler at the craps tables.
Odds, Payouts, House Edge
Do you know the odds or chances to hit all 6? That's all I'm trying to figure out. I've already done well with it.
If the point is, say, 6, same thing applies? You must hit the other 5 numbers (4,5,8,9,10) first and then 6?
When is the bet placed? During the come out roll? Do you know what the bet was called?
To win the main prize, 1,000 to 1, yes, you'd hit the other 5 numbers then the point.
The bet is placed before the come-out roll. I can't remember the name of the bet - something like 'six-shooter bonus' or the like.
I'm still trying to figure out what the chances are of hitting those 5 numbers and the point again all in a row.
Administrator
Yes, it pays for hitting fewer numbers. 5 numbers would pay 150 to 1, even if the bet ended. 4 paid less, and 3 barely paid anything.
To win the main prize, 1,000 to 1, yes, you'd hit the other 5 numbers then the point.
The bet is placed before the come-out roll. I can't remember the name of the bet - something like 'six-shooter bonus' or the like.
I'm still trying to figure out what the chances are of hitting those 5 numbers and the point again all in a row.
Even if you dodge the 2-3-7-11-12 all those times, it seems more likely than not that the point would change in the course of throwing all those other numbers. You have to hit the current point after you've got all 6 numbers marked, then, no matter how many times it might have changed during the hand?
Nobody has answered your question because you did not give us a complete set of rules and it probably requires a lot of time commitment. People get paid for this stuff. With that said, I think that this would require a simulation or a lot of math by hand. There are a limited number of win scenarios (200 maybe?) with any other sequence of six rolls (after setting the point) losing. I mean, if I understand this correctly, you have to hit all 5 other 'numbers' then the point.. any other situation and the bet loses.
Hopefully someone gets interested in this. I'll keep thinking about it. This has got to be worse than the firebet, right?
Hi. Last month I went into a smaller casino and found their craps table was closed. They did, however, happen to have a large 'craps machine' that was basically 6 seats with screens for betting, and a large dome that contained 2 large dice that would roll when the platform they were on started vibrating.
This sounds like the interblock 'organic craps' I have seen and played a few times.There were 3 dice in the shaker I do remember.
so with 2 dice maybe it is another game totally..
2 dice slot is the shoot-to-win craps and that is all over Vegas but I have yet to see the side bet.
The bet is called Lucky Shooter (Great name for a XXX rated flick) from Interblock's site
This is what I found last year when it was warmer outside
'The Lucky Shooter is a side bet for Craps that will improve the Hold on the game.
The Side Bet can be made before each new 'Come Out' roll.
The object
of the Lucky Shooter Side Bet is to first establish a Point,
then roll the 5 other Box Numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 excluding the Initial Point) in any order
during the next 5 rolls,
and then roll the 'Initial Point' on the 6th roll.
Once one of the '5 other Box Numbers' is rolled it cannot be rolled again.
If a 7 or 11 is rolled on the Come Out Roll, the game ends and the bet remains working for the next Come Out roll.
If a 2, 3 or 12 is rolled on the Come Out Roll,
the game ends and the bet loses.
If a point is established on the Come Out Roll, the game ends when Any Number other than one of the remaining (not already rolled) '5 other Box Numbers' is rolled.
If all '5 other Box Numbers' are rolled, then the game ends after the 6th and final roll. The Player has a chance to win up to 1000 to 1.'
My question is, what are the odds or chances of actually winning the bonus bet like that?
Hitting all 6 required numbers within 6 rolls after the come-out.
for what I call the Lucky6
for some to see
I B in Palm Desert (just next to Palm Springs)
for the long weekend and I plan on visiting Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio (plug) as they told me they have the bet there.
Hope it is the 1000 for 1 as I have seen the 500 for 1 paytable too.
I B very lucky this year (so far so goooooooood)
What Are My Chances Of Winning At Craps
and I should hit that Lucky6 after dinner and dancing and B4 sex.sounds like you had fun getting lucky!
Sally
To win, you have to roll a point number, then the other five point numbers in any order, then the point number again.
There are 367 ways to roll 2 dice 7 times.
There are 720 winning sets of rolls; each of the 720 permutations of the six point numbers, with the first number repeated as the seventh. (For example, 4, 6, 10, 8, 9, 5, 4.)
Since each of the six point numbers appear in positions 1-6, there are 3 ways to roll the 4, 4 to roll the 5, 5 to roll the 6, 5 to roll the 8, 4 to roll the 9, and 3 to roll the 10.
If the first number is 4 or 10, there are 3 ways to roll the last number, so there are 3600 x 3 = 10,800 ways to roll it.
If the first number is 5 or 9, there are 4 ways to roll the last number, so there are 3600 x 4 = 14,400 ways to roll it.
If the first number is 6 or 8, there are 5 ways to roll the last number, so there are 3600 x 5 = 18,000 ways to roll it.
240 of the 720 permutations start with 4 or 10, 240 start with 5 or 9, and 240 start with 6 or 8.
The total = 240 x 10,800 + 240 x 14,400 + 240 x 18,000 = 10,368,000.
10,368,800 / 367 = 1 / 7558.272
Not sure how that compares to table craps and the fire bet, but I'll have to look into it and figure out what I wanna stick with in the future. It was nice being able to set my own bets without shouting, or having to second guess a new dealer's math, but if the side bet odds are better on the table, I might have to stick with that.
Let's face it, as much fun as it is going to the casino and playing craps, winning at the craps table is a heck of a lot more fun than losing.
To increase your chances of winning, and before you put your hard earned money down on the table, you should at least have a rudimentary knowledge of the odds, payouts and house edge for each of the bets on the table.
Theoretical probability of winning craps. Before we get into the details, let's get a couple of things out of the way first.
- The casino always wins in the long run.
- The casino's revenues are built on the statistical probabilities of the outcomes, payouts and house edge of each of the bets in the casino and at the craps tables over the long term. (24/7, 365 days a year).
- BUT… We're only at the casino and at the craps table for a short period of time. (a day, weekend, week, etc.). You're better positioned to take advantage of short term trends at the table and… sometimes you just get lucky! Advanced craps players can sometimes even flip some of the odds into their favor.
- The casino's advantage extends beyond the house edge.
- In addition to the house edge on each bet, the casino is banking on the fact that most players at the craps tables don't know how to play the game and don't know the smart vs. not so smart bets on the table.
- SO… By doing what you are doing right now, learning how to play the game well and understanding the probabilities and house edge for each of the bets on the table, you're effectively reducing the casino advantage over you. Aside from becoming an advanced player, this is your best bet for leaving the tables and the casino, a winner.
- While you're at the tables, you'd might as well have some fun.
- While most of my play is, and your play should be, centered around the smarter bets on the table, don't forget that you're there to have a good time. There is nothing wrong with throwing some dollars on the ‘not so smart' bets when you want to. I do it myself from time to time if the table is slow and I'm looking for a little more action or when I'm playing with house money. As long as you're making an informed decision… then go for it.
Now that we have that out of the way, let's get to work on getting you to be an informed gambler at the craps tables.
Odds, Payouts, House Edge
So that you better understand the tables below, I'm going to give you a basic explanation of how the odds and payouts determine the edge that the house has over you.
Don't worry, I wasn't very good at math either and you don't need to understand the formula above… I certainly don't. All you need is the table below… it's all figured out for you. If you're looking for a deeper explanation there are a lot of statistics and probability websites out there to research.
- ODDS: This is the probability that an outcome will occur.
- For example, if I were to flip a coin, the probability (or ODDs) that it would come up heads is 50% or 1 out of every 2 times the coin is flipped, IN THE LONG RUN. So if I flip the coin 1000 times, it will probably come very close to 500 heads and 500 tails. (This would be 1 to 1 ODDs)
- That doesn't mean that IN THE SHORT TERM it will come out heads every other time it's flipped. You may get 2 heads in a row, 5 heads in a row, or maybe even 10 heads in a row, but IN THE LONG RUN you're most likely going to get close to the same number of heads and tails outcomes.
- The SHORT TERM TRENDS are what we want to take advantage of to leave the table a winner.
- PAYOUTS:The amount the casino pays you each time your outcome occurs.
- Using the coin flip example above, imagine that you're betting $5 on heads each time the coin is flipped. At even (or 1 to 1) ODDs, you should get paid $5 every time it comes up heads. But that's not how it works at the casino. They have a built in ‘vig' that pays you less than the true odds.
- So let's imagine that at this casino, they pay you $4 every time heads is flipped. In 10 flips, if it comes up heads 9 times… you've won $45.
- But if you flip the coin 100 times and it comes out 50 heads and 50 tails, you just lost $100 even though you won an even amount of times.
- (100 flips at $5 = $500) (50 wins (heads) paid $4 each = $400) = ($100 loss)
- This is where the HOUSE EDGE comes in.
- HOUSE EDGE:The percentage difference between the true odds of a winning outcome and the payout for that winning outcome.
- This is how the casino always wins in the long term… by paying you less than the true probability of the outcome you bet on.
- In the coin flip example, your betting $5 on an even odds bets, but they're only paying you $4 for every win. In this example, the house edge on this bet is a whopping 20%. (This would qualify as a ‘Not So Smart' bet.)
Your goal is to lessen the casino's house edge over you so you have the best chance of winning. Just focus most of your betting on the bets that have the lowest house edge.
SMART BETS
These are the bets with the lowest House Edge and give you the best chance of winning. An easy way to remember these… They are on the right and left sides of the table. Most of your betting should be focused on these bets.
NOT SO SMART BETS
These are the bets that give the casino the highest House Edge and their greatest advantage over you. Again, there is nothing wrong with betting on any of these as long as you're making an informed decision on what you're betting on.
These bets are typically located in the center of the table in front of the stickman.
You are now a much more educated gambler and much better equipped to win at the craps table and against the casino.
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